Template talk:Crafting Box

Semanticizing Recipes
Sometime soon I'd like to start semanticizing stuff on sotawiki.net and will be starting with recipes. I'm gonna do them slightly differently than we are on my current wiki (because we're having a few problems with out current method) so it will require a bit of experimenting.

Normally I'd confine such experimentation to a Sandbox page but semantic stuff like this is tricky since pagenames are important. So to properly work on it I may touch a dozen pages and be messing with templates (although if a template change will break something current I will try to keep the template on a Sandbox).

I'm new to this wiki and I'm a bit uncomfortable jumping in with potentially huge, sweeping changes like this. So please tell me if I'm stepping on your toes or if I seem to be going the wrong direction with this or if you'd like to help. -- &#91;&#91;User:Fenyx4&#124;Fenyx4&#93;&#93; (talk) 14:23, 27 February 2014 (MST)


 * "We operate like adults around here and would rather you make the change and have the willingness to undo your change if it's rejected by the group. It makes it so we can all be more productive and just get stuff done.  Then if we need to change something we just don't take it personal." this is what I responded to his question in IRC... figured I'd throw it in here for historical data-Violation (talk)


 * My main concern is the fact that the SMW is hard to understand and to edit for new editors; which is the main reason Wikipedia doesn't use it since the majority of the edits on Wikipedia is done by new editors and it should be straightforward to edit a page and new editors shouldn't need to figure out special commands to contribute to the wiki. If the majority of our content will be added by a small group of experienced wiki users, this is not an issue. However, I think we need every little bit of help and new users should not be discouraged by special markups with little or no text after clicking the Edit button. This is not to say that we shouldn't use SMW, it is by far the best way to efficiently update and maintain a wiki. I guess we can find a balance between readability of the page sources and making use of SMW features. Gordias (talk) 13:46, 1 March 2014 (MST)


 * Agreed. It is all about finding the balance. I think hiding as much of the SMW in templates as we can is a good way to go. We clearly already expect people to be able to use templates. Although I was surprised how quick people just naturally started using semantic properties on the U4E wiki merely because other pages used them. The biggest confusion people had was when cached pages would take a bit to update. -- Fenyx4 (talk) 13:53, 1 March 2014 (MST)


 * By the way, adding comments before SMW templates is one idea, eg. . Gordias (talk) 13:58, 1 March 2014 (MST)


 * I like it! I should also put better documentation in the template itself. Going to something like Template:Query_recipe and just seeing a blank page is bad of me. Sorry. -- Fenyx4 (talk) 14:10, 1 March 2014 (MST)