Category talk:Skills

Grouping
I'm confused as to how skills should be grouped here. This seems to be the main category, but some items are in subgroups, but not others.

Here is how I would envision it:

Category:Skills
 * Category:Combat Skills
 * Category:Weapon Skills
 * Category:Blades Combat Skills
 * Category:Ranged Combat Skills
 * Category:Bludgeon Combat Skills
 * Category:Polearms Combat Skills
 * Category:Armor Skills
 * Category:Shield Combat Skills
 * Category:Gambeson Combat Skills
 * Category:Mail Combat Skills
 * Category:Plate Combat Skills


 * Category: Craft Skills
 * Category:Gathering Skills
 * Mining Skills
 * Forestry Skills
 * Agriculture Skills
 * Field Dressing Skills
 * Foraging Skills
 * Refining Skills
 * Smelting Skills/Recipes
 * Milling Skills/Recipes
 * Textiles Skills/Recipes
 * Tanning Skills/Recipes
 * Butchery Skills/Recipes
 * Production Skills
 * Blacksmithing Skills/Recipes
 * Carpentry Skills/Recipes
 * Tailoring Skills/Recipes
 * Cooking Skills/Recipes
 * Alchemy Skills/Recipes


 * Category:Magic Skills
 * Life Magic Skills
 * Death Magic Skills
 * Sun Magic Skills
 * Moon Magic Skills
 * Earth Magic Skills
 * Air Magic Skills
 * Water Magic Skills
 * Fire Magic Skills
 * Chaos Magic Skills

Each individual skill page would be assigned both the main Skills category, and the subcategory to which it belongs, but possibly not group topics (i.e., Gathering would be good to have in Category: Craft Skills, but probably not in the base Category: Skills list). Pages that are important to the category, but are not individual skills, can have a pipe character placed after the category name to push them to the top of the category, outside the main alphabetical list.

Thoughts? --Browncoat Jayson (talk) 16:02, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Ya, it is messy right now because because it is a mish-mash of the old wiki's categories, this wiki's categories and me trying to fix it up as I moved it over.
 * I would recommend reading wikipedia's Category organization and I'll be using the terminology from it.
 * Category:Skills is a Topic category. What is the benefit of leaving the individual skills in that category? I think the individual skills should be diffused into the subcategories.
 * Gathering, Life Magic, etc are "Skill Systems" and I agree that Category:Craft Skills and Category:Magic Skills would be a good place for them. Hrm, maybe we should consider making a Category:Skill Systems to properly differentiate it.
 * Are you conjoining skills and recipes for crafting?


 * I think we have 4 different types of pages here.
 * Individual Skills
 * Recipes (these are item pages)
 * Skill System Pages
 * A single, overall Skills page
 * Realize that Skills and Category:Skills don't refer to a list of individual skills. But skills, skill systems and everything dealing with skills.
 * With that in mind here is what I think:

Category:Skills - Topic Category for all thing related to Skills
 * Category:Combat Sigil - Topic Category for all things related to Combat Skill Systems
 * Category:Offensive Schools
 * Category:Blades Combat Skills - Set Category for Blades Combat Skills
 * Category:Ranged Combat Skills - ...
 * Category:Bludgeon Combat Skills
 * Category:Polearms Combat Skills
 * Category:Defensive Schools
 * Category:Shield Combat Skills
 * Category:Gambeson Combat Skills
 * Category:Mail Combat Skills
 * Category:Plate Combat Skills


 * Category: Craft Sigil
 * Category:Gathering Ring
 * Category:Mining Skills
 * Category:Forestry Skills
 * Category:Agriculture Skills
 * Category:Field Dressing Skills
 * Category:Foraging Skills
 * Category:Refining Ring
 * Category:Smelting Skills
 * Category:Milling Skills
 * Category:Textiles Skills
 * Category:Tanning Skills
 * Category:Butchery Skills
 * Category:Smelting Recipes - Set of Smelting Recipes (this would contain stuff like Iron Bar which is both a recipe and an item)
 * Category:Milling Recipes
 * Category:Textiles Recipes
 * Category:Tanning Recipes
 * Category:Butchery Recipes
 * Category:Production Ring
 * Category:Blacksmithing Skills
 * Category:Carpentry Skills
 * Category:Tailoring Skills
 * Category:Cooking Skills
 * Category:Alchemy Skills
 * Category:Blacksmithing Recipes
 * Category:Carpentry Recipes
 * Category:Tailoring Recipes
 * Category:Cooking Recipes
 * Category:Alchemy Recipes
 * Category:Magic Sigil
 * Category:Life Magic Skills
 * Category:Death Magic Skills
 * Category:Sun Magic Skills
 * Category:Moon Magic Skills
 * Category:Earth Magic Skills
 * Category:Air Magic Skills
 * Category:Water Magic Skills
 * Category:Fire Magic Skills
 * Category:Chaos Magic Skills


 * Which is pretty similar to yours with just a few things renamed and the "Recipes/Skills" separated out.
 * So, for example, Skills would go in Category:Skills, Water Magic would go in Category:Magic Skill Systems, and Ice Fist would go in Category:Water Magic Skills. -- Fenyx4 (talk) 18:14, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I'm not sure I like the term "Skill Systems", but I see your point. I'm trying to think of how it will be presented in the game, and it seems they are broken down into Skill Sigil (Magic Sigil, Combat Sigil, etc), then into a Skill Tree (Life Magic, Blades Combat), which has individual Skills (Healing Touch, Thrust). Perhaps Sigil/Tree/Skill would be good terms? I'll probably get to renaming and reorganizing these tonight.


 * I wasn't thinking of merging the skills and recipes, but rather doing something similar to the other wiki where we had a page that was a semantic query of the recipes, which allowed a better way to view the category in a sortable way. I wasn't worried about doing that at this point since I don't know where we stand with semantic. --Browncoat Jayson (talk) 19:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't care much for "Skill System" either but I could have sworn that was what DarkStarr used in his post. Now when I look again it isn't there. I've modified my tree above. I renamed all the "Systems" to match the wording DarkStarr used in his post "Sigil", "School", "Ring".
 * I think we should have semantic query of the recipes and category. The categories help, well, categorize things so we can more easily query them with SMW but they aren't good for content as they can't be formatted for easy consumption and that is where SMW generated lists come in. (I'm of the opinion that readers shouldn't be steered towards Categories.) -- Fenyx4 (talk) 21:14, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with you about the naming, and SMW + categories. I'll start looking at these next. --Browncoat Jayson (talk) 21:18, 21 March 2014 (UTC)